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Announcer: 00:04

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Terrance: 00:30

Welcome to Spoke and Sole, home of the essential athlete. Today, we're gonna be talking about the ecosystem and that support that surrounds both the running and cycling world. But before we get into that, I'd like to introduce my man, Anthony Sanders, who's sitting to my left, my partner in crime. What's good, man?

Anthony: 00:49

Yeah, man. Happy to be here, man.

Terrance: 00:52

I like that, yeah, man. Yeah, man. We get to reminisce. So let's get ready to roll. What's good, everyone?

Terrance: 01:05

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Terrance: 01:24

Alright. So today, we're gonna be talking about the support and the ecosystem that surrounds these two sports that we are so passionate about. And in in in some cases, it's a bit intertwined. But what I wanna start with is We'll start on the running side first because we've had this conversation about how cycling is a bit more intricate. So when you talk about running, it's very easy to think that, okay, I just put something on my feet and I get out there and I actually run.

Terrance: 02:05

But there's a little more that actually goes into it. And whether it's just getting out there running for you know, whether it's your health or just a log couple miles or it's for a race, there are a couple things that you need to be mindful of when it comes to running. Yes. So for you, let's start with this. What's your essentials before that you need before you get out there and put feet to pavement?

Anthony: 02:50

You know, and and I think you said it too. You know, think there there's a sentence that I think different people need. And it's funny because there was a person who wanted to start running and I I was having a conversation with him and I was telling him, I had to think about it and I'm like, wow. There's like there's a whole bunch of different things. So, you know, like we've been running.

Anthony: 03:08

So, we're like, we're runners, runners. So you know we have you know what you need for a short run, a medium distance run, a long run but I think overall for me there's a few important things I mean you know my garment watch is essential I mean that's something that I wear every day is my you know I would say that that's probably my my best thing it tracks everything you know your sleep, how many steps, you know, your heartbeat, all of those different things especially, you know, as I'm aging. So that would be something that's essential for me. Shoes are essential. I definitely gotta have my music, you know what I'm saying?

Anthony: 03:46

Like I'm a music guy, they talk about that run naked stuff, I don't do that. Only time I normally do that is if we all run together and I'll put one in case you guys leave me and then I gotta

Anthony: 04:01

But that and you know, for me some sort of, you know, some sort of belt or whatever else to carry like, you know, my keys and you know, whatever else. Yeah. You know, so those would probably be the essential things for me for running and then, you know, a gel if, you know, if if we're gonna go over five miles.

Terrance: 04:21

Yeah.

Anthony: 04:22

The Fuelings piece.

Terrance: 04:23

When it comes to running, I mean, it's pretty much all the same for me with the exception of I need to make sure that I got the right pair of socks on. Okay. Right? Right pair of socks, obviously shoes. For me, depending on the distance is gonna determine whether or not I bring a belt.

Terrance: 04:41

Because, well, let me rephrase that. Well, it it is depending on a distance. The distance and the time of year. Yeah. Because if you notice, a lot of times I don't run with hydration.

Terrance: 04:52

Yeah. So for if we're in the spring, fall time, I'm good up to seven, eight miles without any hydration. And a big part of that is because I'm very good at hydrating all week. Yeah. Right?

Terrance: 05:05

So I typically start my day with water. I typically end my day with water. So depending on the distance, I might not have belt. Now, the watch, the Garmin is essential. Don't see see, you wear your Garmin all the time.

Terrance: 05:22

I don't wear a watch. Yeah. So I I use the Garmin while running, and then when I'm done, I take it off. And the music, I I I'm with you on the on the music piece. I need the music.

Terrance: 05:35

I need the music. I mean, there have been a couple times where I get prepped for a run, and I used to run at the office. So I bring on my stuff. I forget the music. Run's canceled.

Terrance: 05:47

Listen. The run's canceled. I will say as of well, I won't even say as of late. The last couple times I've been running, it wasn't so much that I forgot the music. It's that my beats stopped working.

Terrance: 06:01

And so they didn't stop working until I was actually on the run. I was like three quarters of a mile in and I was like, do I go back? But then I forced myself to actually go and finish the four miles. So for running, I need those things. Those are my essentials.

Terrance: 06:19

Right? Funny story because we're talking about the ecosystem and we started with the essentials for just the actual getting out and getting your run piece. But when you start talking about races, and we start talking about the support systems, the organizations that are out there or that are part of the ecosystem that is the racing community. I know I said funny system, but I'm funny story, but I'm gonna get back to that in a second. What is or who is what's the first name that comes to your mind when you start thinking about that?

Anthony: 07:03

Oh, by by far, you know, Karen and Susan, Adrobe Reese's. You know, I have to say, well, I'll give an honorary one out to, to Charlie, because, Charlie actually was when we went to develop we run this town. He was actually one of the people that was like you know, you know, he was a race promoter at that point. He still is but you know, he was one of the people when, you know, we were trying to get information about that that he you know, he provide us information but I think, you know, from a three sixty experience type thing, road races. You know, Karen and Susan, you know, I could, I mean, yes, they do things, from a race perspective, but I mean, what they do for the communities that they are involved in those races going, you know, they they accept those communities as if it's their own and they and they and they implement them and inject them into the race experience which the only other place I've ever seen that done is Boston.

Terrance: 08:14

Yeah. Yeah. You're gonna wanna actually pull that in a little closer because what happens is it ends up on both of us. So you talk and and and you ain't getting your shine like I'm getting my shine. So, yeah, I will say, I mean, you know, first name that comes to mind obviously is is is Road Races.

Terrance: 08:31

And I wanna give a shout out to Road Races to Karen and Susan. We're in 2026. It is their ten year anniversary, so they've been doing it for for ten years. And funny now I'm gonna get to the funny story. So the it wasn't the first half marathon that I ran, but it was the first one that I ran with road races.

Terrance: 08:51

And it was the it was the the Providence.

Anthony: 08:54

Providence. Yeah.

Terrance: 08:55

It was the Providence half marathon. And in the last episode, I was talking about how Scott was telling the story of you guys at Lincoln Woods. I think that was he was actually training

Anthony: 09:06

Training for that first one, yep.

Terrance: 09:07

That first half marathon. And I remember we were all there and I was in a zone, man. And I was in a zone because I had ran, I believe was Gary's race. It was either Gary's race or Charlie's race because they both used to do one in East Providence. And I crushed it and I wasn't even trying.

Terrance: 09:28

So I was like, all right, you know what? I'm gonna go out on this one. I said, I'm gonna kill this one. So I was in the zone. I was in the zone.

Terrance: 09:35

But if you remember, the marathon was late. Yeah. Right? And so we approached the starting line and I had my muse again, I was zoned in. And when they fired that gun, I took off.

Terrance: 09:51

I took off. I was moving. I was moving. And then I started to notice that the route was a little different. It's like, wait a minute.

Terrance: 10:01

And then I started looking around and I noticed that the bib that everyone had was a different color of mine. And it like at mile four or mile five. There was a lady, she's on the side, she had a sign. And I

Anthony: 10:15

asked her, I said, Hey, is this the

Terrance: 10:17

half marathon? She says, I don't know. And so I kept running. One of the great things that Karen and Susan do for their races is they have pacers. And so the pacers hold up the sign.

Terrance: 10:30

And if you're looking to run a particular pace, you just run with that person. And so I found one of the pacers and I asked him and I'm like, Hey, I said, Is this the half marathon? He said, No. He said, No, this is the marathon. And I'm like, Oh man.

Terrance: 10:47

I was like, Marathon? I can't run no marathon. He was like, Ah, listen. He says, I'm only running 13.1. He says, I'm doing a half marathon.

Terrance: 10:55

He says, So when we get to the 13.1, he said, I can give you a ride back. He said, So just go ahead, you, run your race. You know what I mean? And then when I get to 13.1, I'll give you a ride back. So it was funny because as I was running that race, there were a couple of people who tried to convince me to actually run the full.

Terrance: 11:21

And I was like, nah. Nah. Nah. But the fact that they had a pacer there and that I can actually talk to the pacer and he was willing to give me a ride back, that was one of those experiences where that could have a really bad experience for me. But the fact that the pacer was there, he offered me a ride back, He gave me a ride back.

Terrance: 11:44

That was really cool. But, yeah, ten years of putting on these races for for for road races. So, happy anniversary, Karen and Susan. You guys have been doing a phenomenal job. I know that if I'm running a race put on by road races, it's gonna be a phenomenal experience.

Terrance: 12:04

The swag is gonna be on point. Listen, the festivities afterwards, you talk about the food, you talk about the little massage thing they All got going of those things, you know that are gonna be on point when you're dealing with them.

Anthony: 12:20

Yep. And I'll say too, you know, as runners and as athletes too, it's always about the experience. You know it's not about you know I think some people have come to think that it's about price and it's about this it's about that it's about the experience. You know what does that total experience look like? You know when you know when and again for road races and they do a phenomenal job you know when you go there there's always enough porta potties I'm saying

Terrance: 12:51

those things there's

Anthony: 12:52

always enough porta potties that's there you know the food is always phenomenal the swag is always phenomenal you know the patients are always you know amazing you know the volunteers you know they always have bike marshals out there for like the half marathon and the marathon, which I've really seen that at any other

Terrance: 13:17

races. That's true. That's the first, they're the first ones that I actually saw that at.

Anthony: 13:21

Yep. I haven't seen any that I've done. And I think, you know they really you know you can tell when an organization loves what they do you know they love what they do you know I always see know Karen's funny too because Karen's a runner too and I think that's one of the things too when you have someone who is and Susan. Yep. No.

Anthony: 13:40

Yeah. Yep. But but I don't wanna say Karen because she rides around in, in a truck and you know, when you see her out there and she's excited to see the runners.

Terrance: 13:49

Yeah.

Anthony: 13:49

Out there doing it and you know it's kind of like for us by us you know like if they do it and they get it you know and they take feedback too which I think is really good you know they've been known to you know I think at one point you know we had asked you know for for something different and they do it and most importantly, they connect with the community and I know you're going to talk about it later on in the episode but one of the things I love about them is you know, they they do that this plogging thing where after you know the race they go through and they clean up in the community and they don't just leave it the way they left it which I think is phenomenal you know because it gives you know the runners a good you know a good way to say we should care about you know the environment and the ecosystem in that, you know, to the residents that live in that community that we care about your community too. We're not just here to tear things up and leave.

Terrance: 14:41

Yeah. And we can talk about that real quick. So, Road Races is very big on sustainability. They're very big about leaving a community in the way that they actually found it. So, you know, they're part of that community, and community helps community or keep community keeps community.

Terrance: 15:02

And so they're really good in in in regards to that. And speaking of road races and anniversaries, this year is also the two hundred and fiftieth anniversary of, I believe, America's independence. Correct. And so they're putting on a two hundred and fiftieth five k in collaboration with the two hundred and fiftieth commission, which is now gonna be part of the providence, and I believe the date on it is May 3.

Anthony: 15:35

Yes. It's May 3. Yeah. Yeah. I'm gonna marshal that.

Anthony: 15:37

Yep.

Terrance: 15:37

And you're marshaling that race. I I mean, I might I might show up. So it that's one thing we didn't we we we didn't mention. We do marshal for road races, that's only because based on the experience that we have and the interactions and the relationships that we were able to build, you know, they reach out and say, hey, listen. Would you mind?

Terrance: 15:57

Again and I look at that from the from the perspective of the cycling community and the running community coming together. Coming together. I don't know if I had told you this, but there was a point in time where I had approached a number of cyclists and say, Hey, listen, we should volunteer for all of these because, again, it's building on the community that we're trying to build over here while assisting a community that we're also a part of. And while we're on bike marshals, I just wanna give a shout out to all those bike marshals who actually do the the road races because they get they end up getting a good group of people to do those races. And it's it's a great experience from You know what's funny?

Terrance: 16:45

It's a great experience from the runner's perspective. It's a great experience from the bike marshal's perspective. But being able to be on both sides

Anthony: 16:53

On both sides.

Terrance: 16:54

And then having a runner come up to you and tell you how much you supported them while they were actually running the race. That's pretty cool.

Anthony: 17:06

And I'm gonna carry that over from the last episode. People need people.

Terrance: 17:11

Yeah yeah.

Anthony: 17:12

I'm gonna make a show that people need people, you know, but I will say too, it's an like for me it was an honor and it always is an honor. It's, you know, it's like an honor to serve and to give back, you know, for them because what I think a lot of people don't understand, they just think that bike monsters, we just ride the course, but it's more than that. Like we make sure, you know, when we get to the intersections that those intersections are clear and that there's no cars coming through, you know, some of the, the, roads aren't always fully blocked off. So we have to make sure that we can get ahead and let the policemen know whatever else that we have runners coming up, or the first or lead runner. So, and you feel like you're giving back and that you're helping to keep someone safe as well.

Anthony: 17:52

So I always, I always enjoy that too. And it's 03:60 because a lot of times and I haven't ran in, dang, 2,000 and oh my God, haven't raced in seven years, but it's still, it's one of those things that still gives you that inspiration when you're out there and you see all those people, you know, and when we're at the start line because we're, you know, we're at the front. At

Terrance: 18:14

the front.

Anthony: 18:14

Yeah. You get a chance to see all those people and you still remember what that felt like.

Terrance: 18:19

Yeah.

Anthony: 18:20

So it kinda you know, it's kinda like, it's it's a source of inspiration. So I I really I really enjoy it. I really enjoy doing that.

Terrance: 18:27

Yeah. And there's one last thing that I'll

Anthony: 18:29

say

Terrance: 18:29

on the bike marshaling, before we move on. And that's, one thing that you left out in regards to the support that's provided to the runners. A big part of that is if I have a bike marshal in front of me and that person is leading, I don't have to think about, is this my turn? Am I going to miss this? Because part of the things that we're doing out there is we're making sure that Road races does a great job of making sure that the course is marked.

Terrance: 19:00

But if you got someone on a bike in front of you and a light flashing, there's no better mark than that, because you ain't gotta look for the cones, you ain't gotta look the arrows You on the just follow that person. Follow that person. I do wanna give a shout out to, you know, from the perspective of the ecosystem and organizations. I know you mentioned Charlie, but Gary Menisian, I know it used to be Ocean State. I don't know if he changed the name.

Terrance: 19:30

It might still be Ocean State. But he puts on Gary puts on races in Rhode Island. And I think that from from the perspective of, you know, where you are and from a community perspective, there's something for everyone when it comes to being able to find races, whether it's races, running

Anthony: 19:49

groups, or

Terrance: 19:50

anything of that ilk when it comes that community.

Anthony: 19:55

And I think too when we mentioned that too that there are a lot of there's a plethora of organizations you know when you think about you know from the Roadrunners store where they sell the gear and they have their you know they have their running club. They have their I believe you know there's there's a few other organizations out there on a biking perspective, but I think they all come in and collaborate together and they all offer different things for different people like you said, you know, I think some you know there's some people that are more advanced than others you know and even you know when we're sitting back and we're talking about the the the ecosystem you know when we first started running although we had we run this town you know, roadrunners they had their running group but

Terrance: 20:43

I was a part

Anthony: 20:44

of it but we but they also collaborated and accepted us and when they would do you know, their different front runs or whatever else at

Terrance: 20:52

the

Anthony: 20:52

store and they would have, you know, a little track we would go through with that. So I, you know, I always feel as though, you know, that we were welcomed in whatever, you know, running circles that we've come into.

Terrance: 21:04

Yeah. I'll say this for for Rhode Island, even a good portion of Massachusetts. You're they're not lacking from the perspective of whether it's a run club, a running store, or organizations for you to get involved in, whether it be racing, volunteering, or just going out and getting your questions answered. And all throughout the actual state, know, down there in Wakefield, there is a Wakefield Running Club.

Anthony: 21:31

Running Club.

Terrance: 21:31

Yeah. They got a store down there. I believe his name is I believe it's Ken. I'm pretty sure it's Ken. In Providence, on Wednesdays, I know that Narragansett

Anthony: 21:42

You know, I guess a brewing.

Terrance: 21:43

Brewing, they do a they do a run.

Anthony: 21:44

There's a November project.

Terrance: 21:45

Yeah, November project. So there's no shortage when it comes to the running community. Now from the running perspective, outside of finding places to purchase your gear and things like that, maintenance for the most part is done on yourself. There's not much from a maintenance perspective. So let's switch over to cycling for a second.

Terrance: 22:10

Because now cycling, as we mentioned, it's a bit more intricate, it's a bit more complex when it comes to what's necessary for that ecosystem. When you think about your bike, I ain't gonna say the names because you got multiple.

Anthony: 22:29

I got three.

Terrance: 22:35

What's your go to when it comes to how you take care of your machine? Your machines. As far as service? You can go service. I mean, if you need, if you, let's start

Anthony: 22:48

with- Which one's my favorite?

Terrance: 22:50

Which place is your favorite or which is your favorite, buying or getting serviced?

Anthony: 22:54

I thought you were saying which one, because you were

Terrance: 22:55

talking about machines. All So- of them gotta get, you gotta maintain all

Anthony: 23:00

of Which one's my favorite and then like, you know, different things for different bikes.

Terrance: 23:03

Yeah. All right.

Anthony: 23:04

So

Terrance: 23:04

your favorite bike, you got a problem with it. Yeah. Where are you going?

Anthony: 23:11

It depends on the severity of the problem. You know, like you put me on a Johnny, I've gotten a chance to really use him. But like the Diva, which is after my mom, that's my favorite bike. So, and that's the one that's getting like, like we put like I think I've owned it maybe like two years and I put more miles on that thing. Like we like we've been putting in work on that and that's my go to because you know you're talking about different things like that's that's my overall like I get speed and I get up to a good amount of distance on that.

Anthony: 23:42

So, if it's basic stuff, you know, I probably, I probably do the treks without I haven't really needed anything outside of like really, really big, but you know, my goal is I plan to see Johnny because at some point I do want to like, you know, thanks to my brother, you know, who, who gifted me some nice wheels, you know, I've started to, to try to tweak the performance of it. So I think I needed to go a little bit more specialized, in that respect if I wanna try to get it, peak to where it's peaked to my body and where I'm at.

Terrance: 24:19

And when you say specialized, you're not talking about the brand of bike, you're talking about- Listen, you

Anthony: 24:23

know better. You know I am a Trek guy.

Terrance: 24:26

Yeah. So you mentioned Johnny. Johnny's place, 11 Baker Street in East Providence. If you need to get fit for your bike, the place to go. Johnny's the place to go if you need to get you know, if you need a nice bike fit.

Terrance: 24:43

If there's something that's happening that I can't put my finger on, Johnny's the place to go. Whether it be questions, Johnny's the place to go for me. Hell, sometimes, particularly in the summertime around the the tour, Tour de France, they'll have the tour on in there and and and, you know, I'll stop in and and watch. I've been I've been watching a lot of cycling events recently, but Johnny is is my go to when it comes to those things.

Anthony: 25:15

Yeah.

Terrance: 25:15

And incidentally, you know, during the off season, he does he does a bunch of of training with a number of different cycling groups that many, many people take advantage of. So from that perspective is Johnny. And I just like going in there because him and whoever's in there, it's always a good time having a conversation with them. And, I mean, he gets it. We'll ride bikes.

Terrance: 25:41

Mhmm. You know what I mean? So and I think on Saturdays, I think he does training. I think March 30 is the last day he does training. But on Saturdays, I think he also does, he he does a group ride from his store.

Anthony: 25:55

That's awesome.

Terrance: 25:56

I think it's a I think it's a 50 mile loop that they might do out there. Right? Now when it comes to you know this. I got a problem with bikes. I don't have a favorite bike.

Terrance: 26:06

I got I got I got bikes. I got bikes. And I will say this, from road bikes, I am down to three road bikes. I had four, I'm down to three, and one don't count because it's on a trainer.

Anthony: 26:18

Oh, so then I only have two then because one's on the trainer.

Terrance: 26:20

Now you got three bikes. I said got, I got, I said I'm down to three.

Anthony: 26:23

You said one don't count because

Terrance: 26:24

I'm a trainer. But I still said I had three. Okay. You could take that off the trainer and put it on the road.

Anthony: 26:30

I recall you

Terrance: 26:31

saying I don't count the tank, which is the electric bike. But all of those bikes, well, with the exception of the one I don't have anymore, are from Trek. Trek And has a number of locations. There's the one in Warwick, which Phoebe is at, and then there's the one in East Providence that Adam is at. So from the perspective of if you're getting into cycling and you need to pick up some gear, you can go to either one of those and check them out, whether it be helmets, whether it be shoes, kits, lights, anything from a safety perspective you can actually pick up there.

Terrance: 27:14

You can get your bike computer, all those places.

Anthony: 27:19

All that stuff. One of the things I and shout out to them too. You know, think one of things I like about both those locations is, you know, they're really good people.

Terrance: 27:28

That's it, the people.

Anthony: 27:29

Yep, they're really good people and they never try to oversell you, you know, about anything. And in fact, you know, there's been times when we felt like we had bike giveaways.

Terrance: 27:40

I won't say I don't mind getting nobody in trouble. Don't wanna say it was bike giveaways.

Anthony: 27:44

No, it bike giveaways, but we got good team discounts, which I thought was really good, you know, for for the bikes.

Terrance: 27:52

Yeah. And and and you mentioned the people again. Shout out to Phoebe, Adam, and Josh, out there and, you know, Phoebe's in work and Josh is in is in East Providence. But the people are good. And we've had this conversation with we've had this conversation with Phoebe a couple of times about building a community.

Terrance: 28:09

I mentioned in the last episode that some places can get a bit elitist when we start talking about cycling. They're not like that. And it makes you feel good when you can walk into a place and feel comfortable and have your questions answered. And I'm not saying that any of the bike shops that I've been Well, I am saying that. There's one that I've been in that was a bit of a elitist and I'm not gonna say which one it was.

Terrance: 28:47

Actually, I don't even know if they're open anymore. But I will say this.

Anthony: 28:49

And I'm gonna give I didn't buy my bike from them either.

Terrance: 28:51

Yeah. I will say this. I wanna give I talked about I talked about in that first episode about the experience that I had from a particular group ride, and that was Steadman's out in Warwick. I went out to to Warwick and had a phenomenal Yeah.

Anthony: 29:09

They were awesome too. It was too bad that they closed.

Terrance: 29:11

No. Steadman's is still open. Steadman's is in Wakefield.

Anthony: 29:14

The the one that was in Warwick, that was at an at the intersection of where the Cullen Farm was?

Terrance: 29:19

Oh, That that that was I think it was wasn't that Providence bike? I don't know if it was. No. I'm talking I said Wakefield.

Anthony: 29:24

Okay.

Terrance: 29:25

Out there where where the muse is that just got sold. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. No.

Terrance: 29:28

No. Stedman's, They put on a group ride. It was one of those group rides where I hung around, hung around man for a good while afterwards just chopping it up with the people there. And listen, they had some good riders, but they broke it up. They had an A group that broke into A and A1.

Terrance: 29:47

Then they had a B group, they had a C group, and then they had a just casual group. I mean, catered to

Anthony: 29:53

And that's awesome too. They catered And that's awesome too because that's where you have that collectiveness where everyone feels like there's a place for them somewhere and that they're not, you know, they're not getting lumped into, you know, we got there and these people just wanna go fast and, you know, they're lumping me in the B group and I'm really a C and if I get dropped,

Terrance: 30:15

you know. See, and that's where the experience, and when I say experience, this is how you know a particular organization has been around for for a while when they're doing it right. Yes. Like, that experience at Steadman's oh, the other one. So the Narragansett Bay Wheelman, they've been around for a very, Yes.

Terrance: 30:37

Very long

Anthony: 30:38

We used to ride with them

Terrance: 30:40

sometimes Yeah, in Seaconk,

Anthony: 30:41

yeah, yeah. They got a couple of routes. They got some good

Terrance: 30:43

routes too. They got some really good routes. And anytime that you roll into a Wheelman ride, what they say they're gonna do, they're do. They're gonna do.

Anthony: 30:54

And that's structure. Something Structure, yes. And that's important too, especially when riders, because sometimes we ride, and I think sometimes people take that for granted, you know, once you any, any amount of distances is, could be difficult, but once you get past like that, for me anyway, once you get past that 30 miles, like, it could be serious.

Terrance: 31:16

It could be serious.

Anthony: 31:17

Yeah. Like like like like like anything can happen. It could be serious.

Terrance: 31:19

Yeah. I'll tell you this. If I'm riding with so I remember that ride because we did different routes that ride. We ended up doing I ended up doing 60 miles that day, but only, I think, 50 were with the Wheelman because we started somewhere else and we rolled over there. And I tell you, man, I picked it wasn't the A1 group, but it was the next group and they did what they said they were gonna do.

Terrance: 31:52

And after like mile 40, because they were moving, mile 40, I'm like, yeah, Y'all got this. I said, y'all y'all y'all y'all got this. But, again, they label their stuff and they say I mean, and they do what they say they're gonna do.

Anthony: 32:11

Structure is important and I and who we didn't give props to was NBX bikes.

Terrance: 32:17

Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, you know

Anthony: 32:18

NBX bikes happen to be that was the first, you know, which is now Trek Warrick. That's where I bought my first Trek from and, you know, I know they still have their store, I believe that

Terrance: 32:31

It's Narragansett.

Anthony: 32:32

It's in Narragansett, but I'll tell you, I bought that bike because I got into triathlons and know Kathy from TriMom, when she knew I wanted to get in the triathlon she said hey you know I got this friend Matt, go down there see him, tell him I sent you, tell him you know you want to do you know you want you're trying to do triathlons I think I again, and I had used I had been on my Huffy, my Walmart special hybrid and I was killing myself on it. Yeah. Sure enough, I went to see Matt, you know, I told Matt, hey, Matt, you know, I'm getting into triathlons. That's what I want to do. You know, again, very honest guy, you know, and true story.

Anthony: 33:12

I don't know about your first experience, but that was my first experience going into a real bike shop. And when I happened to first walk in, there's like a $12,000 bike. I walked in, saw

Terrance: 33:22

it and was like,

Anthony: 33:24

should I just turn around? You know, but even with them too, you know, when we talk about the local bike shops, one of the things that they did exceptionally well too is I actually got, I actually got a bike fit for that first bike. Forget the gentleman's name who worked there but I bought the bike, you know, I hadn't really done anything with the clip ins, know, they showed me how to do the clip in, you know they fit me you know wasn't a full professional fit no but it was a fit to make sure that it was size where it was supposed to be and just good service you know and again and it wasn't I mean the bike was you know it was relatively I mean it wasn't as expensive as it could have been you know but it was what I needed and it was it you know they didn't undersell me where they put me in something that I was gonna have to come back a year later you know they put me into something that I could grow into which I which I appreciate it because I still can ride that bike to well, I still it's not a trainer, but I could still ride that bike today and still be what I needed it to be for where I'm at.

Terrance: 34:23

Yeah. So, yeah. Shout out to Matt out in in Narragansett at MBX. So I got, two story. Well, Matt actually did my bike fit for the Red Joint, that one that I came up on from the track in East Providence.

Terrance: 34:40

So I got such a great deal on that Madone in East Providence that I didn't want them to do anything. Said, Listen, just take it down, give it to me. Because I didn't want them to ask for it back. So I took that up to Narragansett and Matt did Actually, he did a bike fit for me. He did a bike fit for Sandy.

Terrance: 34:59

So part of it too, we're talking about these different support systems around running and cycling, a lot of it has to do with your location. Matt used to have Providence, used to have Warwick and Narragansett. And when he had the Warwick store, there used to be a guy named Ken that worked there.

Anthony: 35:16

That might've been a guy too who did mine.

Terrance: 35:19

And I went in there, and this was before, I think this was I actually This was well before I had the Madone, but I went in there and I had a Giant at the time.

Anthony: 35:32

I remember the Giant. I

Terrance: 35:34

was in there having a conversation, there was some issues with it. Ken, he just gave me, he just dropped so much knowledge that it changed the way that I actually ride and I still use those techniques to this day. But again, I think that's part of the whole thing with, okay, well, when you start talking about structure, you start talking about organizations, you start talking about the people who they actually have within those organizations and they bring in. I think that was a testament to Matt. Another testament to Matt and I mean, of these organizations.

Terrance: 36:10

So first off, go out and support your local bike shops, your local running stores,

Anthony: 36:15

but

Terrance: 36:15

all of them. So John from his Just A Hill, which is a cycling group, they I give it to John, and I gotta reach out to John because, you know, I know him, but I don't know him. But the stuff that they do from a cycling perspective and a community perspective, like the food drive they do every year around Thanksgiving, they do a bike series that pretty much is all winter. And the goal is to get people to actually ride. And they ride all winter long.

Terrance: 36:49

But John from his it's it's just a hill, he puts on, these charity events. And, I remember there was one. It was in Lincoln. They started a coffee shop, and Matt came all the way down from Narragansett. Matt also does I think it's Thursdays, is it the Wednesdays or Thursdays?

Terrance: 37:07

MBX does a ride from their store, which I think it might be Thursday, we gotta get out there. They do the ride, they end the ride at this store and then they have burgers afterwards. So yeah, yeah, yeah.

Anthony: 37:17

We gotta ventral and I gotta ask you too because you talked about that bike. Is that that day that we were all buying those bikes? Yeah. May have the day I bought that Diva. Is, is.

Terrance: 37:31

And the funny thing is, you know, I wasn't trying to buy no bike. Me neither. I was in there and it was after a ride

Anthony: 37:40

It was.

Terrance: 37:41

We were just kicking it and you were doing your thing over there. I didn't even know what you was doing. And then Jose, shout out to Jose, Jose Sanchez, he walked over and he gave me this little receipt. And he said, that's how much that bike cost. And I looked at it and I said, you're kidding.

Terrance: 38:00

He said, yeah. And I said, Adam, this real? He said, Yeah. Said, Wrap it up. Said, No, no.

Terrance: 38:09

Take it down. Take it down. Just take it down. Take it. No, you ain't gotta do no maintenance.

Anthony: 38:14

We probably bought, like, four bikes. Cause I actually, I didn't even intend that. I had two bikes at that point. Yeah. Because I had a three times black.

Anthony: 38:26

That was my and a matter of fact, I had just gotten that too. And that was a grip. And like that was just that was a gift. I mean it was that was a gift but it goes to show you too I mean and not just from the selling perspective but also the people perspective too and I don't know we're gonna talk about that from like the support system but even the people outside of the people who sell things, the ecosystems, you know we talked about, you know road races as an entity but when you sit and you break down those people individually,

Terrance: 38:57

you

Anthony: 38:58

know, and, I can I can recall a time when, for example, I had gotten hurt, and I was supposed to run to Bristol and, you know, I reached out to Karen and I was like, Hey, you know, I got hurt, know, I wanna defer, you know, just wanna defer my thing? No, no problem. And you know, Susan was like, Hey, she's like, you know some exposure.

Terrance: 39:40

Yeah. I was like, Oh,

Anthony: 39:41

you know, I never thought about it like, Oh, hey sure you know and again just people trying to help people out and knowing that other people are doing different things you know, and and just to try to connect, I think is incredible. You know, think we have some other people out there and I might be jumping the script but you know, you know, like Mary Ann and Skip, you know, Donnelly which I know we're going to talk about them. You know, just people who are just great people, you know, like just great like I'm not I mean phenomenal athletes.

Terrance: 40:12

Yeah.

Anthony: 40:13

Yeah. Yeah. Great people, like great people to the point where, you know and all those individuals too I think what makes it very special about it is you know they do it without any expectation of anything it's not any quid pro quo it's just hey you're my peoples and I wanna help you and I wanna see you do better. And I think that, you know, that's what I love about, you know, the running and the riding community. Yeah.

Anthony: 40:40

Like it's just, that's phenomenal.

Terrance: 40:42

That's, those relationships, man. Those relationships are so phenomenal. I'm gonna use that word you said because I couldn't come up with them. Well, amazing. But again, when you talk about community, that's what it is.

Terrance: 40:57

I mean, I know you have stories about Mary training you for triathlon. Yes. I have stories about Mary Anne actually putting kitchen cabinets in at the rental property. When I say kitchen, I mean full kitchen cabinets, 1st and 2nd Floor, and that's all based off these relationships that we've been able to build through the running community. We've had conversations with I mentioned this earlier, with Phoebe about trying to find a way to do that same thing with cycling.

Terrance: 41:34

But those amazing people come together at these events, and you come in contact with them. And that's what actually builds that community. I mean, how many times we ride I mean, I know sometimes I know sometimes, man, you know, you're like, oh, not this again. When we ride with Maryann and Skip, who we met through road races and Skip being a DJ and Maryann being the MC, but now we ride with them. They do these crazy routes that have these little hills on them sometimes.

Anthony: 42:08

And it's incredible too, even other things like, like people don't know but Mary Anne is a master seamstress.

Terrance: 42:15

Yeah.

Anthony: 42:15

And you know, I didn't know and she like she knew I started sewing doing whatever, she'd always give me tips and I'd you know and you know different you know notions you know in terms of that and just help me out on that level and again you know those are things and even aside from that like you know like their pool is amazing and it's just large. Yeah. You know, even when, you know, even when I was when I was training, you know, hey, you know, whenever you want, you know, leave the the gate open if you want to come and you know, you want to swim and you you know, you don't you know, if you don't want to go to the pool. Again, those type of things.

Terrance: 42:51

Those are the types of relationships and that's the type of support that you'll find in these ecosystems that actually go beyond the actual sport. It's funny you mentioned that because Sandy also went over to Mary Anne's to get swimming lessons to prepare for the try that her and Danielle did out there in Massachusetts. So whether running or cycling, the opportunity exists to come across some really, really good people. I think the biggest thing for me is, you know, you can use the term community, you can use the term ecosystem, you can use whatever term you want. Ultimately, it comes down to, in both of those communities, there's some really good people.

Terrance: 43:33

Yeah. And I said this last season when I think it might have been the first ride or the or the second ride with Marianne and Skip. And I said, you know, what I wanna be able to do is to ride and run with quality. Yeah. Right?

Terrance: 43:50

I don't have to have a whole bunch of people. I mean, it's fun, but at the end of the day, it's really about the quality of individuals that are around you or that you surround yourself with. And I think that that is one of the biggest things that I think about when I think about that term ecosystem, whether it be in the running or cycling community. So I think that pretty much wraps it up for the ecosystem perspective. I mean, we wanted to talk about the places where if you needed to have your stuff maintained or if you needed to purchase some new stuff, I know we didn't hit on all the places out there, but I think that depending on where you are, there's a place, for you.

Terrance: 44:40

I think it's a matter of getting out there, meeting the people in, whether it be a local running store or local bike shop or, run club or cycling group and just finding the people who for you.

Anthony: 44:55

Yeah, I think you sum that up perfectly. I believe that I think anyone who's out there, you know whether you know you're someone who was just starting, know someone who is a veteran, you know connect yourself with like minded people and you know you know whether it's with us or whoever else build your community you know the community is always gonna make it easier for you to do what you need to do and it's gonna make it much more enjoyable as well. Mean you know we can all walk alone you know but if you walk together you know it's easy and it's definitely more entertaining So

Terrance: 45:25

Yeah.

Anthony: 45:26

I'll end on that note as well, my last comment.

Terrance: 45:28

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Terrance: 45:43

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Terrance: 45:53

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